Archived System CR SCR022703-13 Detail |
| Title: Single WCN and Single BCN | |||||
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| SCR022703-13 |
Denied 3/12/2003 |
- | 2/ | Ordering | All products |
| Originator: Osborne-Miller, Donna |
| Originator Company Name: AT&T |
| Owner: Winston, Connie |
| Director: |
| CR PM: Stecklein, Lynn |
| Description Of Change |
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Currently a CLEC can subscribe to WCN/BCN as well as receive a SOC. The understanding is that Qwest supports multiple WCNs and then multiple BCNs, a function of the many workd order that Qwest can open as a result of one CLEC service order. This request is to have the Qwest OSS system support one WCN and one BCN. The BCN will be sent no later than 3 days after the CLEC Service Order has been provisioned
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Status History |
| Date | Action | Description |
| 2/27/2003 | CR Submitted | |
| 2/28/2003 | CR Acknowledged | |
| 3/12/2003 | Clarification Meeting Held | |
| 3/13/2003 | Draft Response Issued | |
| 3/14/2003 | Qwest Response Issued | |
| 3/14/2003 | Status Changed | |
| 3/20/2003 | CLEC Call | CMP MARCH MEETING- Products changed to "all" |
Project Meetings |
| 3/20/03 CMP Systems Meeting Donna Osborne-Miller/AT&T presented this CR and asked for more information regarding the denial. Lynn Notarriani/Qwest noted that this is a substantial architectural change to our billing system and would be a very large effort. Phyllis Burt/AT&T stated that currently we get confirmation of the Qwest internal order number and asked if there was a way not to subscribe to the auto push and receive just a single BCN. Bonnie Johnson/Eschelon said that Eschelon asked that question and the response was no. You have to get them all or none at all. Candy Skaff/Eschelon said that the final response was for the GUI and we could retrieve the status update out of the GUI and for EDI the information would be via an EDI file. Liz Balvin/WorldCom said that the asked the same question and from an EDI perspective we felt that we could build to one of the status indicators from the auto push for the status updates. Liz Balvin/WorldCom asked if it is possible to build in EDI to the BCN. Phyllis Burt/AT&T stated that they do not want the auto push, we just want the final BCN. Lynn Notarriani/Qwest said that she hears two questions 1 – You want to which statuses to receive and, 2—You want one BCN. Phyllis Burt/AT&T stated that you are going to status update to get BCN and you have to look at all status updates. Connie Winston/Qwest said that we would be happy to have an options meeting to discuss these issues but there’s just no way to do this in time for the vote. Liz Balvin/WorldCom asked if they could opt to build their interface to receive only status updates numbers 1 or 3 or 5 in EDI instead of all of the status updates. Connie Winston/Qwest said that’s what we’d have to talk to development about. Phyllis Burt/AT&T asked for clarification on how they could revise this CR to meet the vote. Liz Balvin/WorldCom said that she thought they could do a late adder. Kit Thomte/Qwest stated that she did not think we could respond with the LOE within the necessary timeframe and believe we are designing on the fly. Donna Osborne-Miller/AT&T asked if another clarification call was necessary. John Gallegos/Qwest stated that the 3-day timeframe is a critical issue and is driving up the cost. That is one of the reasons for the denial. If we can get agreement to change the 3-day timeframe to the 5-day timeframe, we may be able to re-look at this. Donna Osborne-Miller/AT&T asked Phyllis Burt/AT&T is they could take out the 3-day timeframe and Phyllis agreed if they could still get it into the vote. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that she we will have to redesign and LOE in time for the vote. Donna Osborne-Miller/AT&T asked if there was anything that could be negotiated. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that we could have an options meeting but it could not be done before the 14.0 vote. Liz Balvin/WorldCom asked about the option of having the BCN that exists today but building to one status. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that would be an architectural change and once again don’t know what the effort would require. Lynn Notarriani/Qwest said she thought AT&T might be willing to remove the sentence to remove the requirement of 3 days but also heard a request to be able to pick and choose what status updates you want. And I don’t’ think that’s part of what was LOEd. Liz Balvin/WorldCom said that she would like to open an action item to see why the CLECs can’t have the option of having something less than the full 6 status options. Wendy Green/Qwest said that we currently don’t have the system programmed to allow the CLECs to choose which statuses they wanted to receive, so it would be a change to the system. She also stated that WorldCom would need to open a CR. Sue Stott/Qwest said if you look at the EDI side, your development team will also have to code to filter and build a filter to select the ones you care about. Liz Balvin/WorldCom said thank you. Donna Osborne-Miller/AT&T said that AT&T does not want to give up on this and we understand the denial. We would like to re-write this and have it potentially be a late adder. Phyllis Burt/AT&T stated AT&T’s desire is a single BCN, if they can use the autopush. Phyllis Burt/AT&T asked if it’s a late adder could she add what WorldCom is looking for. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that Qwest doesn’t make those decisions, if it’s able to be ranked and voted in 14. What we can do is look at a new definition, and then AT&T can try to do it as a late adder. Liz Balvin/WorldCom asked if they removed the sentence requesting the 3 days. John Gallegos/Qwest said no I said that was one of the gaps that was causing such a high LOE. Lynn Stecklein sent a request to AT&T asking if the last sentence of the description of change could be removed and got a negative response. Connie Winston/Qwest summarized that AT&T would like 1 BCN, no 3-day timeframe and no WCN. Phyllis Burt/AT&T stated that if it’s the 3 days that’s causing the deny, then AT&T will remove. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that we just want to be really clear that we would only be looking at LOEing a single BCN and she also stated that the time is short and also don’t know if it will be econmically feasible until we check with the Development Team. Liz Balvin/WorldCom said that this would be harder to do as a late adder then to have Qwest try to go back and re-LOE it and try to get it in the vote. Connie Winston/Qwest said that we can certainly try, but can almost guarantee that this can’t be done in time for 14.0 prioritization. Liz Balvin/WorldCom said that she didn’t think Phyllis had changed her mind on what she wants other than the 3-day requirement. Connie Winston/Qwest said that she wanted to clarify that we did try to make that suggestion before hand, but now the time is so short. Liz Balvin/WorldCom said that there didn’t need to be an additional clarification meeting. Bonnie Johnson/Eschelon other than what Phyllis is looking at which is having a BCN at the LSR level, we don’t want to add anything to the scope of that. Connie Winston/Qwest said that we will do what we can. Sue Stott/Qwest said that this is a huge change, and the ballot goes out Tuesday and I really don’t want to set any false expectations. Bonnie Johnson/Eschelon said that obviously it has a lot of CLEC support and so although late adder requires a unanimous vote it doesn’t seem there’ll be a problem. Connie Winston/Qwest asked if AT&T could have the CR updated by tomorrow. Phyllis Burt/AT&T said that she would have it updated tomorrow. She also asked to keep in mind that the request is for a single BCN and if they can generate a separate BCN that’s fine too. Kit Thomte/Qwest asked if the status would be changed to evaluation. Connie Winston/Qwest stated that the CR will remain in denied status until the new CR information is reviewed.
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CenturyLink Response |
| REVISED RESPONSE March 14, 2003 Donna Osborne-Miller AT&T CC: Connie Winston Sue Stott Beth Foster Kit Thomte This letter is in response to CLEC Change Request number SCR022703-13, dated 02/27/03, titled: Single WCN and Single BCN. CLEC CR Description: Currently a CLEC can subscribe to WCN/BCN as well as receive a SOC. The understanding is that Qwest supports multiple WCNs and then multiple BCNs, a function of the many work orders that Qwest can open as a result of one CLEC service order. This request is to have the Qwest OSS system support one WCN and one BCN. The BCN will be sent no later than 3 days after the CLEC Service Order has been provisioned. History: A clarification meeting was held on Wednesday March 12, 2003 with AT&T and Qwest representation. Qwest Response: Qwest has completed an analysis for CR SCR022703-13, Single WCN and Single BCN, and has determined that this change is economically not feasible. This change would require a restructure of the billing systems to deliver simultaneous transactions with the service order processor (SOPs). This request would require Qwest to develop a new process impacting several layers of Qwest management and impact currently monitored standards for billing completions notification. Qwest’s analysis determined that the estimate for the initial implementation of this change would be well above $5 million. Considering that the information is currently available to CLECs and sent no later than 5 days after the CLEC Service Order has been provisioned, Qwest is denying your request for SCR022703-13, Single WCN and Single BCN, based on economic infeasibility. Sincerely, Lynn Notarianni Information Technologies Senior Director Qwest DRAFT RESPONSE March 13, 2003 RE: SCR022703-13 Qwest has reviewed the information submitted as part of AT&T's Change Request SCR022703-13. Based upon research that has been conducted following the Clarification meeting (held March 12, 2003) Qwest is still examining the issue. Qwest will continue to research the problem and provide an updated response at the March Systems CMP Meeting. At the March Systems CMP Meeting, CMP participants will be given the opportunity to comment on this Change Request and provide additional clarifications. Qwest is interested in the experiences of the CMP community as relates to this issue. Qwest will incorporate any feedback received into further evaluation of this Change Request. Sincerely, Qwest
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